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Buddhist No-Self and Moral Responsibility

Monima Chadha talks with Nigel Warburton about how the Buddhist philosopher Vasubandhu explains agency and responsibility without an enduring self.

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Monima Chadha on Responsibility Without Selves

With Monima Chadha Published 18 min

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The brief

Monima Chadha argues that the Buddhist denial of self does not remove moral responsibility. Instead, thinkers like the 4th to 5th century philosopher Vasubandhu try to show that agency, intention, and responsibility can all be explained without positing any enduring self behind them.

Chadha distinguishes this from a simpler claim, the rejection of a metaphysical soul substance like the Cartesian soul or the Hindu Atman. Vasubandhu goes further: he also denies our intuitive picture of the self as agent, experiencer, and bearer of responsibility. On this view a person is a conventional label for an ever-changing psychophysical aggregate, not a real underlying entity, a position Chadha compares to Derek Parfit's reductionist account of persons. She traces the motivation to ethics rather than metaphysics for its own sake. Belief in an enduring self breeds self-interest and anxiety about one's future, and the Buddha's Four Noble Truths, along with his second sermon on no-self, treat this belief as a source of suffering to be removed.

To show how this works in practice, Chadha uses the example of being tempted to steal a mango in a market. Sensory impression, memory, intention, and deliberation condition one another and produce an action, with no self needed to explain any step. She extends this to a Hindu objection that karma requires something that persists to bear its effects. Vasubandhu's reply is that responsibility tracks change within a continuum of aggregates, such as anxiety arising before a wrongdoing and regret arising after it.

Warburton presses the hardest objection: if responsibility is just a causal continuum, how is a person different from paper blown about by the wind, merely narrating its own motion? Chadha resists the comparison. Buddhists hold that humans are rational beings capable of deliberation and right choice, and it is self-interested reasoning, not the causal process itself, that produces wrongdoing.

The conversation leaves open exactly what a full impersonal morality would look like once the self is set aside. Chadha's closing suggestion is not to assume no-self means no morality, but to take the question of what responsibility looks like without a self seriously.

Strongest arguments

Buddhist critique of self goes beyond denying a soul substance

1:02

Chadha explains that the Buddhist denial of self is not merely a rejection of a metaphysical soul substance like the Cartesian soul or Hindu Atman. Vasubandhu's argument also targets our intuitive notion of a self as the agent behind action, the subject of experience, and the bearer of responsibility.

Persons are conventional labels for changing aggregates

2:51

Chadha compares the Buddhist view to Parfit's, saying both allow us to talk as if there are agents and subjects of experience while denying this reflects any underlying metaphysical fact. A person is a shorthand expression for an ever-changing psychophysical aggregate rather than a real enduring entity.

The motivation for no-self is ethical, aimed at reducing suffering

3:34

Chadha argues that belief in an enduring self generates self-interest and anxiety about one's future, which is a major source of suffering. She ties this to the Buddha's Four Noble Truths and notes his second sermon specifically addressed the no-self view.

Agency explained through mutually conditioning mental and physical states

6:06

Using the example of being tempted to steal a mango, Chadha shows how sensory impression, memory, intention, and deliberation can explain action without needing a self behind the process. Vasubandhu's point is that the self does no explanatory work, so there is no reason to posit one.

Responsibility accounted for through change in a continuum, not an enduring self

8:57

Responding to a Hindu objection that karma requires an enduring self, Vasubandhu argues that responsibility can be explained by how a continuum of mental and physical states transforms over time, such as anxiety arising before wrongdoing and regret arising after it.

Rational deliberation preserves agency against a purely causal picture

11:23

Warburton challenges whether this account collapses into mere causal history indistinguishable from being buffeted by outside forces, using Wittgenstein's image of paper blown in the wind. Chadha replies that Buddhists treat humans as rational beings capable of deliberation, and that self-interested reasoning, not the causal nexus itself, produces wrong choices.

Call to seriously develop an impersonal morality

16:34

Chadha closes by urging philosophers not to dismiss the no-self view simply because it seems to threaten morality. She argues for exploring what an impersonal morality would actually look like and points to existing Buddhist practices and communities as evidence that responsibility can be handled without a self.

Disagreements

Whether the no-self account preserves genuine agency

10:21

Warburton presses that explaining responsibility through a continuum of cause and effect sounds like being subject to external forces rather than real agency, comparing it to Wittgenstein's image of blown paper commenting on its own movement. Chadha rejects this, insisting Buddhists hold that humans are rational beings capable of deliberation and right choice, not passive objects.

Whether biological individuation grounds a genuine self

13:31

Warburton suggests that biological continuity and separateness from other bodies gives a reasonable basis for thinking of oneself as a distinct self pursuing survival. Chadha replies that being a psychophysical organism at a particular place and time is sufficient for individuation, so no additional self behind the organism is needed.

Philosophers and works discussed

  • Vasubandhu
  • Parfit
  • Buddha

Questions this episode answers

  • How can Buddhists explain moral responsibility if there is no enduring self?

    8:57

    Vasubandhu argues responsibility can be explained by how a continuum of mental and physical states changes over time, such as anxiety before wrongdoing and regret afterward, without positing anything that stays the same.

  • What is Vasubandhu's argument against the existence of a self?

    5:31

    Vasubandhu argues that our intuitive notion of a self as agent, experiencer, and bearer of responsibility can be fully explained through mutually conditioning mental and physical aggregates, so positing a self does no additional explanatory work.

  • How does the Buddhist no-self view compare to Derek Parfit's view of personal identity?

    2:51

    Both views allow us to talk as if there are agents and subjects of experience while denying any underlying enduring self, treating persons as a conventional way of referring to a continuum or aggregate rather than a metaphysical fact.

  • Why did the Buddha teach that there is no self?

    3:34

    The teaching is tied to the Four Noble Truths, since belief in an enduring self produces self-interest and anxiety about one's future, which are causes of suffering, and removing that belief is part of the ethical path to end suffering.

  • Can there be agency without a self behind actions?

    6:06

    Using the example of being tempted to steal a mango, agency is explained through a chain of sensory impression, memory, intention, and deliberation among mental and physical states, without requiring a self behind that process.

  • Does denying the self collapse into a deterministic or purely causal view of human action?

    11:23

    Chadha resists this conclusion, arguing that Buddhists treat human beings as rational agents capable of deliberation and right choice, and that self-interested reasoning, rather than the causal nexus itself, is what produces bad choices.

Sources

  1. Philosophy Bites, Monima Chadha on Responsibility Without Selves Podcast episode, original episode